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By Lori Leibovich

August 2001 | Lisa Miya-Jervis and Jill Corral asked 30 women in their 20's and 30's to write essays about what marriage and partnership means in 2001. The result, "Young Wives Tales: New Adventures in Love and Partnerships," explores subjects as varied as one woman's successful three-way marriage, a meditation on the loss of privacy that results when you fall in love, and the tale of a lesbian married to a gay man.

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What was the impetus for writing this book?

Jill and I were having a conversation about marriage, nontraditional relationships, the politics of partnership, and the lack of role models that young women have for forging relationships that fit with their feminist principles. Our generation is flying blind: some of our mothers are feminist, but they came to feminism during their partnerships, which is a completely different dynamic from Consciously constructing a feminist partnership from the ground up.

Who are the women who contributed to this book?

We found writers through e-mail calls for submissions, posting on listservs and bulletin boards, through contacts that we have made and editors, and also by contacting people whose work we had read and liked. We just basically cast as wide a net as possible.

If you don't mind me asking, what kind of partnership (if any) are you involved in? How does it work?

I am married to a man, going on three years now. I never thought I would get married, so I have finally gotten used to thinking of myself as a married person. Our partnership works so well because we are both very independent and need a lot of time alone. We understand each other's desire to go off and do things without the other. This may sound kind of strange, but my life with Christopher is very much like my life before I met him. It wasn't like we turned each other's lives upside down.

The book is filled with examples of women reinventing marriage and partnerships on their own terms. And yet there is a $70 billion wedding industry supported by women who want all the traditional trappings. There seems to be a huge disconnect among young women about what they want. Agree? Disagree?

I think, unfortunately, that our book is not all that representative. I wish there was a more widespread critique/rejection of the wedding industry, that there was more of a recognition that you could get married and throw a wedding without buying into the expensive, traditional stuff. I think you can definitely do that, but a lot of people don't even question it. Also, that stuff is tempting Even if you don't grow up with this fairy-tale wedding in your head, once people are offering to make you the center of attention, even if you want to do it a different way, there's a lot of pressure.

You edit a magazine called "Bitch: A Feminist Response to Pop Culture." What messages do you think women receive about marriage from the pop culture and the media?

There are still huge assumptions made about women and their girlhood fantasies. The popular imagination is still really invested in the idea that all five year-old girls are obsessed with being brides. There are dress-up sets at Toys 'R Us for it. There are still plenty of ways the media finds to make you feel freaky and weird if you don't have the "normal" desires, and sadly the desire for a big huge white wedding that's supposed to be "the happiest day of your life" is still seen as the sine qua non of femininity in some ways. Take the TV show "Friends" as an example. If it wasn't a given that all women want to get married in a big expensive over-planned ceremony, entire segments of the show (including the bulk of last season) would not have been able to be written.

Are there any ways in which the pop culture /media has responded to new interpretations of marriage?

I think the media is really stuck in the past as far as weddings and marriage goes. There's nothing I've seen that resonates with how I feel as a married person or how I want my marriage to be. I identify way more with single characters on TV, in movies, etc. (To the extent that I identify at all, 'cause admittedly most of that stuff is so fake it's impossible to identify with it).

The wedding industry creates its own media, too, of course, and since it's all geared toward selling wedding products it's really powerful propaganda. A good analysis of this is in Jacklyn Geller's "Here Comes the Bride" (Four Walls Eight Windows) which is an excellent read (though I disagree with a lot of what she says, because she does not believe it's possible to transform marriage at all, which clearly I don't think or I would not have gotten married).

Do you think you can be a feminist andwear a poufy white dress, be given away by your father, throw the bouquet at your single friends, and change your last name?

I really don't want to get into judging who's a "real" feminist, especially since I feel a goal of the feminist movement should be to be as inclusive as possible. Sometimes talk about changing details of the wedding ceremony can displace serious consideration of the ways in which marriage itself needs to be changed. There's an essay in our book that makes the very important point that refiguring the traditions of the ceremony does not necessarily change anything about the way the relationship works. So while reworking those details is important to remake marriage as something that can be feminist, it's really the smallest part of the equation. Furthermore, any feminist getting married has to admit that there is a bow to tradition taking place here, that there are serious issues to be reconciled between being feminist and choosing to be a part of marriage as an institution. That said, I'm not going to say that if you do those things you can't ever be a feminist, but I don't think anyone who has given serious thought to wedding traditions from a feminist perspective would, in the end, make those very traditional choices. Certainly not all of them, anyway.

Can you specifically discuss your feelings about the traditions I mentioned?

The dress I think is the least important of all the traditions you mention. Sure, the symbolism of the white dress (virginity, purity, all that hoo-ha) is disturbing, but it can be worn without giving in to that. The question of who a bride walks down the aisle with is so emotionally fraught. I would love to see more women considering possibilities other than their fathers or even both their parents. How about your friends? Or how about walking alone? Bouquet-throwing is appalling, embarrassing, and insulting, and there is nothing to redeem it. It flat-out assumes that the goal of every unmarried woman is to get married ASAP, and there's really nothing more off base and unfeminist as that assumption.

Unlike all these other things, the name issue actually matters beyond the day of the ceremony, and affects your life in little ways (are you going to have to get used to introducing yourself differently?) and huge ones (if you are going to have kids, whose name will they take?). As far as the question of can you be feminist while taking a man's name, I actually think it's kind of moot, because how many people who identify as feminist make that choice? Very, very few.

I was willing to change my name, but not if my husband didn't also change his. I felt that in choosing to get married I was undergoing a change, and having that change reflected externally was a good thing-- and especially since my husband and I do not plan to have kids, I wanted us to share the same name as a gesture toward constructing the two of us as a family. I explained all of this to my man, and one night over dinner he announced that he was taking my name.

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Lisa Miya-Jervis is the co-editor with Jill Corral of "Young Wives' Tales: New Adventures in Love and Partnership." (Seal Press)




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